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	<title>Comments on: are bloggers journalists? a conversation at usf</title>
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		<title>By: The Next Generation: USF students explore whether bloggers=journalists &#124; Writes Like She Talks</title>
		<link>http://sticksoffire.com/2007/11/07/are-bloggers-journalists-a-conversation-at-usf/comment-page-1/#comment-129120</link>
		<dc:creator>The Next Generation: USF students explore whether bloggers=journalists &#124; Writes Like She Talks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] From Wendy Withers&#8217; report of the event on Sticks of Fire (out of Tampa, FL): There were about 25-30 people in attendance at any given time, made up mostly of USF’s Society of Professional Journalists members, USF mass communications staff, and mass comm students trying to get extra credit in other classes. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] From Wendy Withers&#8217; report of the event on Sticks of Fire (out of Tampa, FL): There were about 25-30 people in attendance at any given time, made up mostly of USF’s Society of Professional Journalists members, USF mass communications staff, and mass comm students trying to get extra credit in other classes. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Maf54</title>
		<link>http://sticksoffire.com/2007/11/07/are-bloggers-journalists-a-conversation-at-usf/comment-page-1/#comment-129070</link>
		<dc:creator>Maf54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tommy: It&#039;s good they thought of you guys after the fact. ::rolls eyes:: You should have been invited from the very beginning, in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tommy: It&#8217;s good they thought of you guys after the fact. ::rolls eyes:: You should have been invited from the very beginning, in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: tommy</title>
		<link>http://sticksoffire.com/2007/11/07/are-bloggers-journalists-a-conversation-at-usf/comment-page-1/#comment-129022</link>
		<dc:creator>tommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, After the original post appeared on Sticks of Fire, David Harris contacted me and invited me to sit on the panel with the journalists.  Unfortunately, it was simply too late of notice, otherwise I would have gone...

I&#039;m sorry that I couldn&#039;t make it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, After the original post appeared on Sticks of Fire, David Harris contacted me and invited me to sit on the panel with the journalists.  Unfortunately, it was simply too late of notice, otherwise I would have gone&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry that I couldn&#8217;t make it.</p>
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		<title>By: Maf54</title>
		<link>http://sticksoffire.com/2007/11/07/are-bloggers-journalists-a-conversation-at-usf/comment-page-1/#comment-128592</link>
		<dc:creator>Maf54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear, hear Meredith. Maybe the SPJ should&#039;ve considered inviting bloggers after all. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear, hear Meredith. Maybe the SPJ should&#8217;ve considered inviting bloggers after all. <img src='http://sticksoffire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Meredith</title>
		<link>http://sticksoffire.com/2007/11/07/are-bloggers-journalists-a-conversation-at-usf/comment-page-1/#comment-128581</link>
		<dc:creator>Meredith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me this discussion is probably just as instructive, and more honest, than the forum that spawned it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me this discussion is probably just as instructive, and more honest, than the forum that spawned it.</p>
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		<title>By: Maf54</title>
		<link>http://sticksoffire.com/2007/11/07/are-bloggers-journalists-a-conversation-at-usf/comment-page-1/#comment-128566</link>
		<dc:creator>Maf54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh please. It takes all of 30 seconds to post a comment, Ramajama. Get with the program. =P

Judy Hill is knowledgeable about things, but I wouldn&#039;t exactly call her an &quot;expert.&quot; I&#039;m a little skeptical of sunny descriptions we give people just because they have done this or done that. Judy is an expert in writing good prose, and entertaining audiences (I agree, I am always entertained by her columns). Steve Otto is the same, as I hate missing his column.

And you bring up good points about how newspapers overall are missing out on great online opportunities. They have reporters doing blogs and sharing opinions, when in reality, no one cares what the reporter&#039;s opinion is. There are great ways for reporters to USE blogs, including things like providing more depth for stories that they may not have had in print or on TV or whatever medium they are using. That includes additional quotes, additional ideas, even add more people.

It&#039;s like these newspapers and such lose sight on what is the true power in blogging. It&#039;s providing a medium that is easy to access, that can add more detail, that can even serve as a watchdog. That is why blogs like Sticks and others are successful, and why newspapers -- outside of a few notable exceptions some of you have mentioned here -- fail miserably, and call into question ethical and integrity concerns.

Sadly, people like Gil Thelen wouldn&#039;t know journalism if it conked them on the head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh please. It takes all of 30 seconds to post a comment, Ramajama. Get with the program. =P</p>
<p>Judy Hill is knowledgeable about things, but I wouldn&#8217;t exactly call her an &#8220;expert.&#8221; I&#8217;m a little skeptical of sunny descriptions we give people just because they have done this or done that. Judy is an expert in writing good prose, and entertaining audiences (I agree, I am always entertained by her columns). Steve Otto is the same, as I hate missing his column.</p>
<p>And you bring up good points about how newspapers overall are missing out on great online opportunities. They have reporters doing blogs and sharing opinions, when in reality, no one cares what the reporter&#8217;s opinion is. There are great ways for reporters to USE blogs, including things like providing more depth for stories that they may not have had in print or on TV or whatever medium they are using. That includes additional quotes, additional ideas, even add more people.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like these newspapers and such lose sight on what is the true power in blogging. It&#8217;s providing a medium that is easy to access, that can add more detail, that can even serve as a watchdog. That is why blogs like Sticks and others are successful, and why newspapers &#8212; outside of a few notable exceptions some of you have mentioned here &#8212; fail miserably, and call into question ethical and integrity concerns.</p>
<p>Sadly, people like Gil Thelen wouldn&#8217;t know journalism if it conked them on the head.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramajama</title>
		<link>http://sticksoffire.com/2007/11/07/are-bloggers-journalists-a-conversation-at-usf/comment-page-1/#comment-128564</link>
		<dc:creator>Ramajama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like Maf54 must have a lot of time on his hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like Maf54 must have a lot of time on his hands.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Withers</title>
		<link>http://sticksoffire.com/2007/11/07/are-bloggers-journalists-a-conversation-at-usf/comment-page-1/#comment-128558</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy Withers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maf54,

Judy Hill&#039;s an expert in that she&#039;s been covering the same beat for a very long time. She&#039;s who I would go to if I needed an opinion on a charity or wanted to know about community happenings around here. As for Thelen, I stated the titles (without adjectives) that would answer the questions of what he would know about journalism and why he would be included on a panel about bloggers. (And, I do think the panel would have been better if more community bloggers had shown up, providing a more diverse view on the topic.) 

As far as comments go, yours are well thought out and show a command for spelling and grammar. They lack vulgarity and ads for Viagra, so in my opinion, you&#039;re one of the better commenters out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maf54,</p>
<p>Judy Hill&#8217;s an expert in that she&#8217;s been covering the same beat for a very long time. She&#8217;s who I would go to if I needed an opinion on a charity or wanted to know about community happenings around here. As for Thelen, I stated the titles (without adjectives) that would answer the questions of what he would know about journalism and why he would be included on a panel about bloggers. (And, I do think the panel would have been better if more community bloggers had shown up, providing a more diverse view on the topic.) </p>
<p>As far as comments go, yours are well thought out and show a command for spelling and grammar. They lack vulgarity and ads for Viagra, so in my opinion, you&#8217;re one of the better commenters out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Maf54</title>
		<link>http://sticksoffire.com/2007/11/07/are-bloggers-journalists-a-conversation-at-usf/comment-page-1/#comment-128536</link>
		<dc:creator>Maf54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Judy Hill a lot, but what exactly is she an expert in again? This goes back to the nice shiny description you gave Gil Thelen as well. No offense, but I guess by these definitions, I&#039;m a master of blog comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Judy Hill a lot, but what exactly is she an expert in again? This goes back to the nice shiny description you gave Gil Thelen as well. No offense, but I guess by these definitions, I&#8217;m a master of blog comments!</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Withers</title>
		<link>http://sticksoffire.com/2007/11/07/are-bloggers-journalists-a-conversation-at-usf/comment-page-1/#comment-128293</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy Withers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dreaming,

Actually, I do read Ruth, Ross, Hill, and Otto. I print out Hill&#039;s blog for my mother because she doesn&#039;t have a computer. I also read columnists like Leonard Pitts, Howard Troxler, and Dave Barry. And, I read The Trib and the Times almost every day. If you count The Oracle as a daily, I read three dailies almost every day. And, when I can, I read Creative Loafing and Reax. I also go through my Google feed which supplies me with news from The Telegraph, The Guardian, Salon, and the New York Times.  Oh, and the The Trib, the Times, The Oracle, and Loafing are all inserted into my noggin in the old print format, because I enjoy reading the news on paper. I actually found Sticks because I was looking for blogs from Judy Hill and Ross after The Trib let them go, because I see them as experts in their field and like to read quality columns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dreaming,</p>
<p>Actually, I do read Ruth, Ross, Hill, and Otto. I print out Hill&#8217;s blog for my mother because she doesn&#8217;t have a computer. I also read columnists like Leonard Pitts, Howard Troxler, and Dave Barry. And, I read The Trib and the Times almost every day. If you count The Oracle as a daily, I read three dailies almost every day. And, when I can, I read Creative Loafing and Reax. I also go through my Google feed which supplies me with news from The Telegraph, The Guardian, Salon, and the New York Times.  Oh, and the The Trib, the Times, The Oracle, and Loafing are all inserted into my noggin in the old print format, because I enjoy reading the news on paper. I actually found Sticks because I was looking for blogs from Judy Hill and Ross after The Trib let them go, because I see them as experts in their field and like to read quality columns.</p>
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