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	<title>Comments on: ending the tampa bay creative diaspora (part ii)</title>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://sticksoffire.com/2008/08/21/ending-the-tampa-bay-creative-diaspora-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-241246</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 03:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have said what needs to be done, we must speak and be involved, hold our politicians and bureaucrats to task and we must not let people silence themsleves thinking that is a form of support.

Gripe, let the lleaders know what you want and need, otherwise you are enabling the problem. 

It is supposed to be a democracy so speak and get involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have said what needs to be done, we must speak and be involved, hold our politicians and bureaucrats to task and we must not let people silence themsleves thinking that is a form of support.</p>
<p>Gripe, let the lleaders know what you want and need, otherwise you are enabling the problem. </p>
<p>It is supposed to be a democracy so speak and get involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://sticksoffire.com/2008/08/21/ending-the-tampa-bay-creative-diaspora-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-241050</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous - stoop your whining and complaining, what are you doing to help put Tampa? Oh, just an enabler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous &#8211; stoop your whining and complaining, what are you doing to help put Tampa? Oh, just an enabler.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://sticksoffire.com/2008/08/21/ending-the-tampa-bay-creative-diaspora-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-240990</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed you are so far off the mark with your evaluation of me. I have never said we (our cities) do not have issues. There is always room for improvement. You really won&#039;t say what you have done to help. Don&#039;t try to flip this around due to your insecurities. Lead by example!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed you are so far off the mark with your evaluation of me. I have never said we (our cities) do not have issues. There is always room for improvement. You really won&#8217;t say what you have done to help. Don&#8217;t try to flip this around due to your insecurities. Lead by example!</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://sticksoffire.com/2008/08/21/ending-the-tampa-bay-creative-diaspora-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-240858</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous - denying the reality of issues is not helping the issue. 

People like you, and I mean small minded rednecks when I say that, need to accept that admitting the problem is the first step towards solving it. 

As long as we got small minded scared whiners like say, you, we will not make progress. 

So why don&#039;t you leave if you are not willing to be part of making this town better, why don&#039;t you love Tampa Bay enough to help out? 

Oh wait, youm ust be one of those fools who think as long as we all kiss ass and play nice somehow this stuff will get worked out eventually. Who needs active citizens who make demands on the politicians and institutions, who needs people actually involved?

Anonymous p this attitide of your is what ENABLES the problems Tampa has. Take pride in your town, love it, speak up for it, fight for it. Don&#039;t be an enabler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous &#8211; denying the reality of issues is not helping the issue. </p>
<p>People like you, and I mean small minded rednecks when I say that, need to accept that admitting the problem is the first step towards solving it. </p>
<p>As long as we got small minded scared whiners like say, you, we will not make progress. </p>
<p>So why don&#8217;t you leave if you are not willing to be part of making this town better, why don&#8217;t you love Tampa Bay enough to help out? </p>
<p>Oh wait, youm ust be one of those fools who think as long as we all kiss ass and play nice somehow this stuff will get worked out eventually. Who needs active citizens who make demands on the politicians and institutions, who needs people actually involved?</p>
<p>Anonymous p this attitide of your is what ENABLES the problems Tampa has. Take pride in your town, love it, speak up for it, fight for it. Don&#8217;t be an enabler.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://sticksoffire.com/2008/08/21/ending-the-tampa-bay-creative-diaspora-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-240790</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again Ed what are you doing to make Tampa better? 
1. I think you were trying to spell jealous.
2. I don&#039;t hate Tampa. I dislike complainers.
3. I am not leaving. I want this area grows artistically. Just in case you don&#039;t understand that word I will define it for you. 
	Artistically
	1 : of, relating to, or characteristic of art or artists 
	2 : showing imaginative skill in arrangement or execution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again Ed what are you doing to make Tampa better?<br />
1. I think you were trying to spell jealous.<br />
2. I don&#8217;t hate Tampa. I dislike complainers.<br />
3. I am not leaving. I want this area grows artistically. Just in case you don&#8217;t understand that word I will define it for you.<br />
	Artistically<br />
	1 : of, relating to, or characteristic of art or artists<br />
	2 : showing imaginative skill in arrangement or execution.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://sticksoffire.com/2008/08/21/ending-the-tampa-bay-creative-diaspora-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-240645</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous - You gave us part of the the typical Tampa BS defence of anyone trying to talk about change and progres. These are:
1) you are just jeous of me
2) You hate Tampa! 
3) I hope you leave.

Well guess what buddy, they are leaving and we are left with a town of idiots like you who go after the people who care enough to try and foster change. 

Simple minded rednecks all longing for the small town days and so affraid of this city growing becuase it might risk your little pool of importance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous &#8211; You gave us part of the the typical Tampa BS defence of anyone trying to talk about change and progres. These are:<br />
1) you are just jeous of me<br />
2) You hate Tampa!<br />
3) I hope you leave.</p>
<p>Well guess what buddy, they are leaving and we are left with a town of idiots like you who go after the people who care enough to try and foster change. </p>
<p>Simple minded rednecks all longing for the small town days and so affraid of this city growing becuase it might risk your little pool of importance.</p>
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		<title>By: Meredith</title>
		<link>http://sticksoffire.com/2008/08/21/ending-the-tampa-bay-creative-diaspora-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-240583</link>
		<dc:creator>Meredith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 02:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am all for creating an oasis. In &#039;92, Tampa had the beginnings of a hip community in Ybor.  Remember Three Birds, and Ovo&#039;s, and Traxx?  Then Ybor went through the &#039;alcohol mall&#039; stage that we now see at Channelside.  You&#039;d think Tampa would learn.  Want a better job so you don&#039;t have to live in a nasty apartment hovel?   Create some reason for businesses to relocate here.  Make the place appealing so that businesses can recruit smart people who will want to live here, and educate their children here.  The creative diaspora can help bring that kind of change; the &quot;crunchy&quot; people can save Tampa from a dying city&#039;s fate like Detroit or Dayton.  

Join and support groups like TIBA (Tampa Independent Business Alliance) and foster the growth of local businesses.  Have something to offer besides the same old chain store /chain restaurant / traffic jam BS that people can get anywhere.  I can&#039;t find a good cup of Cuban coffee in the greater Washington DC metro area, and God knows I have looked.  What else makes Tampa unique?  Find those things and nurture them.  Create an identity beyond drinking and shopping and strip bars (no offense to Joe Redner, I like the guy).

There&#039;s hope for Tampa, and there are enough people who recognize how to save it.  The days of the developers are almost over.  Who will seize the reins of power and bring Tampa to its full potential?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am all for creating an oasis. In &#8216;92, Tampa had the beginnings of a hip community in Ybor.  Remember Three Birds, and Ovo&#8217;s, and Traxx?  Then Ybor went through the &#8216;alcohol mall&#8217; stage that we now see at Channelside.  You&#8217;d think Tampa would learn.  Want a better job so you don&#8217;t have to live in a nasty apartment hovel?   Create some reason for businesses to relocate here.  Make the place appealing so that businesses can recruit smart people who will want to live here, and educate their children here.  The creative diaspora can help bring that kind of change; the &#8220;crunchy&#8221; people can save Tampa from a dying city&#8217;s fate like Detroit or Dayton.  </p>
<p>Join and support groups like TIBA (Tampa Independent Business Alliance) and foster the growth of local businesses.  Have something to offer besides the same old chain store /chain restaurant / traffic jam BS that people can get anywhere.  I can&#8217;t find a good cup of Cuban coffee in the greater Washington DC metro area, and God knows I have looked.  What else makes Tampa unique?  Find those things and nurture them.  Create an identity beyond drinking and shopping and strip bars (no offense to Joe Redner, I like the guy).</p>
<p>There&#8217;s hope for Tampa, and there are enough people who recognize how to save it.  The days of the developers are almost over.  Who will seize the reins of power and bring Tampa to its full potential?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Caleb and the like, stop complaining and tell us what you are doing fix our cities. If things are that bad then why do you stay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Caleb and the like, stop complaining and tell us what you are doing fix our cities. If things are that bad then why do you stay?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clyde, I think you&#039;re implying that &quot;someone&quot; chose our current dysfunctional system?  I think our current quagmire &quot;just happened&quot; over many years of folks voting for their friends and neighbors or the guy with the nicest tie without thinking about (for example) what &quot;big picture&quot; growth plan does the guy have--sprawl or smartgrowth?  

It is all a self-perpuating system--bad schools producing uneducated voters, or criminals, retirees who don&#039;t give a $$$t about educating other peoples kids, the perennial real estate investors over their heads and looking for a bail out, tax dodgers who don&#039;t believe in paying taxes, and a region that favors their own local yokels as compared to an &quot;outsider&quot; who may actually know what he&#039;s doing.  

Of course this mindless ssyetm will one day fall under its own weight and lack of direction.  We can either escape to another city that has it going on, or be here to pick up the pieces and build something new and better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clyde, I think you&#8217;re implying that &#8220;someone&#8221; chose our current dysfunctional system?  I think our current quagmire &#8220;just happened&#8221; over many years of folks voting for their friends and neighbors or the guy with the nicest tie without thinking about (for example) what &#8220;big picture&#8221; growth plan does the guy have&#8211;sprawl or smartgrowth?  </p>
<p>It is all a self-perpuating system&#8211;bad schools producing uneducated voters, or criminals, retirees who don&#8217;t give a $$$t about educating other peoples kids, the perennial real estate investors over their heads and looking for a bail out, tax dodgers who don&#8217;t believe in paying taxes, and a region that favors their own local yokels as compared to an &#8220;outsider&#8221; who may actually know what he&#8217;s doing.  </p>
<p>Of course this mindless ssyetm will one day fall under its own weight and lack of direction.  We can either escape to another city that has it going on, or be here to pick up the pieces and build something new and better.</p>
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		<title>By: Clyde</title>
		<link>http://sticksoffire.com/2008/08/21/ending-the-tampa-bay-creative-diaspora-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-240408</link>
		<dc:creator>Clyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did&#039;ya ever think that things are the way they are here because that&#039;s the way the majority of residents have allowed it to become??  Maybe because that&#039;s the way they want it?  Pam Iorio aside, look at who we elect. Another idea - in some states, the cities are completely independent of the counties and have control of their destinies.  How do you think we&#039;d do out from under the dead hand of the Hillsborough BOCC?  Getting away from the low-wage mentality of our business &quot;leaders&quot; would help too, not to mention a school system that actually teaches children some skills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did&#8217;ya ever think that things are the way they are here because that&#8217;s the way the majority of residents have allowed it to become??  Maybe because that&#8217;s the way they want it?  Pam Iorio aside, look at who we elect. Another idea &#8211; in some states, the cities are completely independent of the counties and have control of their destinies.  How do you think we&#8217;d do out from under the dead hand of the Hillsborough BOCC?  Getting away from the low-wage mentality of our business &#8220;leaders&#8221; would help too, not to mention a school system that actually teaches children some skills.</p>
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